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  • Mystery Number 160 – supplied by Ted Talbot

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    An express hauled by two Webb compounds.

    The leading engine is an ‘Experiment’ 2-2-2-0 and so possibly is the train engine but too little is visble to be sure.

    The date is after mid-1895 when coal rails were first fitted to tenders and quite possibly after 1st February 1903 when centre lamp sockets came into use on the bufferbeam, as one seems to be visible in the centre.

    But what is the location and what is the train Any other information ?

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  • Philip A.Millard — 11-Aug-2014 8.08 AM
    The six-wheeled rolling stock and flat-sided brake van suggest a date in the late 19th century to me, although it might possibly be later. By 1903 the best trains would have had corridor stock. I cannot guess at the location, but the clutter in the foreground is interesting.
    Harry Jack — 14-Aug-2014 5.38 PM
    The location of this photo could be Elmhurst Crossing on the Trent Valley line between Armitage and Lichfield. The cover of the L&NWR Society's Journal of December 2013 shows another train taken there, probably in the early summer of 1898, and the photographer (G. H. Wilkinson) took other photographs at the same place, probably on the same day. If I've guessed the location correctly this one would be looking towards Armitage, with the signal cabin behind the photographer and the siding just out of the picture on the right.
    Jim Lodge — 22-Sep-2014 10.46 AM
    The train engine is a "Dreadnought", identifiable by the boiler side pipework and the footplate valance. The "Experiments" had just a small diameter handrail from just above the cab panel plate to the smokebox side (as depicted on the lead engine). The rest of the passenger 3-cylinder compounds had the later larger diameter pipe with handrail mounted on it running from just below the top of the cab panel plate to the smokebox side. The cylinders are flat sided, which rules out the 2-2-2-2 classes, and the footplate valance between the buffer beam and the front driving wheel is narrow, which rules out the "Teutonics". By elimination this leaves the "Dreadnoughts".
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